It's not mind control is reality control. She doesn't make you think you have no mouth, she physically removes it from reality
Particular_Dot_20632025-11-18 23:05
What good is a phone call when you are unable to speak?
ZeroBrutus2025-11-18 23:10
I mean, she has both.
Uncanny_Doom2025-11-18 22:27
Not faster than Superman can blitz her into a knockout.
pucklover662025-11-18 22:37
Assuming he even knows where she is.
Endless_Chambers2025-11-18 22:55
Same could be said viceversa. Isnt Superman like super fast when he wants to be.
He also has laser vision that he can somehow shoot through your pupils lol.
pucklover662025-11-19 03:13
Basically whoever starts the attack wins.
turbin22025-11-18 22:29
What ass?
Endless_Chambers2025-11-18 22:40
Americ—- Metropolis’s.
NoNazisInMyAmerica2025-11-18 22:47
Metropolass
BrightIce3932025-11-18 22:53
Metroboomin make it boom. 💥
smile_politely2025-11-18 22:41
this america's ass, baby
BuffaloStranger972025-11-18 22:43
Nothin can erase that Cavill ass 🤤
graveybrains2025-11-18 22:47
The Scarlet Witch cast Mend targeting Superman's butt crack.
Superman, roll a con save. Disadvantage.
BaronZhiro2025-11-18 22:31
He’ll whimper, “Mommy…”
TelenorTheGNP2025-11-18 22:40
"Martha..."
MischeviousFox2025-11-18 22:32
I mean we’re talking about a character from a world where kryptonite doesn’t exist so she has no remote idea what it is vs a guy who she doesn’t remotely know let alone know that he’s weak to kryptonite so… Could she create kryptonite using her reality warping abilities? Probably. Would she? Probably not. Also I’m not that familiar with the comics but going by the MCU Wanda’s ability to create something isn’t always that fast so he may knock her out before she gets the chance.
TheAsterism_2025-11-18 22:45
As someone else mentioned, she could hit him with the “what superpowers” and make him forget he was ever superman
MischeviousFox2025-11-18 22:47
Sure, but that’s completely irrelevant to this post.
reaper889112025-11-18 23:01
Then he could potentially go "a-train" on her and accidentally run through her? Unless its "what superpowers" and hes just... manman..
TheAsterism_2025-11-18 23:02
I think superman would at least attempt to negotiate before a-training, can’t say the same about darkhold wanda
veritropism2025-11-18 22:46
It was established in Eternals that superman is a known fictional character in the MCU. The one eternal-in-hiding's adopted kid asked Icarus "are you superman!?" Or something similar.
The same comics will almost certainly mention the kryptonite.
MischeviousFox2025-11-18 22:50
I had forgotten that. So Wanda who is perhaps aware of the comic book character Superman is going to believe this random dude she meets is somehow a comic book character brought to life rather than a mentally unstable person with similar powers and is going to create the fictional kryptonite to defeat him? In reality Wanda’s confusion over who he is and trying to wrap her mind around a fictional character being in front of her would likely make her less likely to create kryptonite… at least before she’s knocked out.
jemslie1232025-11-18 23:00
A random comic book character somehow coming to life wouldn't even be in the top ten weird things that have happened to any given Marvel hero. Heck, its probably not even in the top 10 weird things to happen to wanda *this week*.
MischeviousFox2025-11-18 23:20
….Fair point.
Particular_Ad_49272025-11-18 22:52
Superman was also mention by Aunt May in Raimi’s Spider-Man (1). She was in the hospital bed talking with Peter.
igby12025-11-18 22:46
Does Wanda manipulate matter or control minds or both?
In other words for this kryptonite example does she just need to know how to make someone’s mind think kryptonite is there, or does she *actually create kryptonite*?
MischeviousFox2025-11-18 22:53
She can do both.
veritropism2025-11-18 22:54
I don't think she mind-manipulated mr. Krasinskitastic into spaghetti-ing himself, so the darkhold scarlet witch version has options for reality rewrites.
sadir18142025-11-18 22:58
She's Telepathic ;)
It's damn near one of her SPECIALTIES to make people live their worst fears.. hence the scene in AoU
And ironically, that was tame compared to things she does in the comics
SeriousPlankton20002025-11-18 23:03
She can ask Spider-Man to take the tunnel (IIRC; or subway?) from New York to Manhattan and find Lex Luthor. (I read the crossover comic)
tangential_quip2025-11-18 22:32
She doesn't need to, Superman ia vulnerable to magic.
Malgraz2025-11-18 22:44
Not as weak as she is to a supersonic face punch
Dissidence8022025-11-18 22:53
What face?
anrwlias2025-11-18 22:53
One of the things that limits Superman is that he isn't murderous. In the famous Dark Knight Returns sequence where Batman defeats him, a big part of the reason he got defeated is that he always tries to use reason and restraint first.
So, no, even though he could throw a supersonic murder punch at her, he simply would not do that.
ugluk-the-uruk2025-11-18 22:56
Doesn't this depend on the iteration of Superman? I thought I remember one comic where Superman explicitly tells Joker he differs from Batman in that he doesn't have a no-kill rule, but just tries not to do it generally.
jemslie1232025-11-18 22:58
Yes that does indeed fall into the category of "not murderous".
anrwlias2025-11-18 23:01
There's a reason that the comic got pushback but, even if we accept that particular characterization, it doesn't change the fact that he always tries to limit the force he's using and that he also tries to reason with people before fighting them.
The notion that he'd just go straight to murder is out of character.
Front-Advantage-70352025-11-18 22:33
Nope. Doesn’t exist in her existence.
Reality is this fight is over before it begins because Superman can move faster than she can think.
pillmayken2025-11-18 22:44
Give her a bit of time and she’ll find some reality in which kryptonite exists and pluck it from there.
JDeegs2025-11-18 22:48
assuming he even knows he needs to immediately take her out.
the boyscout would probably chat a bit, during which time she'll incapacitate him
Endless_Chambers2025-11-18 22:59
I like how everyone seems to downplay Superman in general like he isnt actually OP in almost every way possible. He has crazy dumb powers that arent listed and that he doesnt use.
BleiddWhitefalcon2025-11-18 22:33
Also... She doesn't need kryptonite. Magic is something that Superman is explicitly vulnerable to and she can absolutely do that.
Supermite2025-11-18 22:36
He isn’t “explicitly” vulnerable to magic. He’s as susceptible to magic as everyone else not trained in magic.
Terminal_Lancelot2025-11-18 22:38
Exactly. But when you're everything else proof, magic *is* a vulnerability.
Endless_Chambers2025-11-18 22:52
I get what you’re saying but “Explicitly” makes it seem like double damage or exceptional damage.
If someone doesn’t have enough magic power to kill a normal person but wants to kill Superman, they wont be able to.
el_palmera2025-11-18 22:57
You just don't know what the word explicitly means
Supermite2025-11-18 23:08
Based on answers elsewhere, I don’t think it’s that explicit or clear. Superman is also very resistant to certain types of magic in the comics. Any magic driven by willpower is easier for Superman to overcome. So he’s less vulnerable to that than other people.
Endless_Chambers2025-11-18 23:12
There is nothing about Superman’s existence that screams being vulnerable to magic. If one tried anything before magic, you think he’d also be immune to magic. I dont know how anyone would come to the conclusion that magic would work on him so how is it explicit?
unclecaveman12025-11-18 23:10
Explicitly just means it is stated fact, rather than implicitly which means it’s implied and not outright said. He is explicitly weak to magic because it’s said in plain English that he is weak to it, it’s not implied by innuendo or conjecture.
PlatyNumb2025-11-18 22:39
One could even say he is weak to it
nguyenjitsu2025-11-18 22:48
I hate when people spew the same regurgitated shit about Superman not being weak to magic he's just affected by it normally like everyone else. That means he's weak against it just like everyone else is lol
PlatyNumb2025-11-18 23:03
100%. Makes me so frustrated every time. Nobody wants to change the definition of the word "weak" like Superman fans do
Hoverkat2025-11-18 23:03
I don't have a weakness to bullets. I'm just affected by them... normally ... like other people..
Yes I'm bleeding, but that's only because I'm so normally affected... not weak... I'm feeling great
EDIT: This is sarcasm. People bleeding to death are weak.
LuckyLunayre2025-11-18 22:44
When your superpower is specifically invulnerability, but there's an exception the magic is in fact a weakness/vulnerability.
It is quite literally an achilis heel..
DarthGayAgenda2025-11-18 22:48
I always looked at this in 3rd edition D&D terms. Superman has Damage Reduction 20/magic and Fast Healing 20/magic. That means that he's really durable and recovers very quickly from mundane and elemental damage, but is harmed normally by magic.
anrwlias2025-11-18 22:50
Explicitly means that there is no room for doubt or confusion. Being explicitly vulnerable doesn't mean that he's more vulnerable than other people, it just means that it's a clearly defined limitation of his powers.
dcooper86622025-11-18 22:55
That’s some weak ass Reddit nonsense. We regular people are weak to both bullets and magic. Superman is explicitly bulletproof, but whataya know he doesn’t have that same immunity to magic, so I guess that gets to be put on his weaknesses chart.
Dumeck2025-11-18 22:40
She can unravel him like Mr Fantastic, provided he doesn't reach her and beat her ass before she finishes. Wanda's magic mostly requires aim and he could potentially be too quick for her
iwannalynch2025-11-18 22:57
It really just comes down to response time for the Scarlet Witch and whether she has some kind of auto-trigger defense forcefield of some kind on her (and perhaps whether or not she has already permanently modified her durability). A speedster can probably overwhelm her granted he acts quickly.
arealuser100notfake2025-11-18 22:57
Magic travels close to the speed of light, like electricity
SeriousPlankton20002025-11-18 23:00
Light slows down in the presence of magic.
>!(Terry Pratchett, Disc World)!<
Dumeck2025-11-18 23:02
Yeah but the issue is Wanda can't aim or think at the speed of light and she doesn't really do AOE magic often. Potentially If she is in peak control of her powers and had time to plan and think she could create a reality bubble around herself like she did in Wandavision and Superman could be depowered or similar upon passing the bubble but from MoM Wanda had issues catching Captain Marvel in that movie while she was flying. Superman should be faster
Tinus20xx2025-11-18 22:35
either that or she puts a red sun up his ass
Tinus20xx2025-11-18 22:36
not even that, Superman is already weak to magic
PunsGermsAndSteel2025-11-18 22:36
Deleted scene of this actually happening from the abandoned Tim Burton / Nic Cage superman movie
Brute_Squad_442025-11-18 22:39
"No more Superman..."
Desperate-Pen75302025-11-18 22:40
As long as Supes believes she can...
Mariuxpunk0072025-11-18 22:40
They made MCU Scarlett Witch so OP, she could probably turn the sun red and fuck him up.
hsjdbfhhffjf2025-11-18 22:41
Super man could blitz her before she even has a chance to think. People overthink glass cannons way too much.
LuckyLunayre2025-11-18 22:45
Wanda took multiple literal canons to the face, crawled through a mirror and instantly healed being cut alive, tangled with Captain America, Captain Marvel, took America's fist attacks with her bare hands and tanked her super strength punches..
Is the glass canon in the room with us?
LordLoss012025-11-18 22:58
All of that is literally nothing compared to Supes himself.
Sillykeya2025-11-18 23:08
She took America Chavez punch that sent a huge shockwave and dispersed clouds
memecut2025-11-18 23:22
Ah yes, moving a couple of clouds. Superman lived in the sun for 15k years. He once sneezed a solar system out of existence. He contained a black hole with his hands.
Sillykeya2025-11-18 23:25
He’s never done that in the dceu lol
memecut2025-11-18 23:58
Lol, wheres the rule that says we are limited to the dceu
Sillykeya2025-11-19 00:18
I mean they were using cinematic images so I’d assume we’re using movie versions
pillmayken2025-11-18 22:45
He could but he won’t. He’ll try to talk her down first.
Texcellence2025-11-18 22:56
In The Boys subreddit people often ask who would win between Superman and Homelander and the answer is always Superman because he’s much stronger. This is one of the few instances where I’d lean towards Homelander since he’d just go straight to laser eyes while Superman would be more inclined to talk it out like we saw in Dr. Strange.
_M_Digital2025-11-18 22:43
Maybe she can't (if she doesn't know what kryptonite is), but she can beat the shit out of him in many different ways.
wenoc2025-11-18 22:43
As always. Whatever the writers already decided the outcome should be. Sometimes the writers are on the first day on the job as we’ve seen in the past 20 years (or whatever since Nolan) of DC movies.
The question ‘who would win’ is completely academical. And that is really generous here because it doesn’t really have to do with literally anything. In some weird-ass countries scenarios a dude with money can beat superman.
kinofil2025-11-18 22:44
Wait, I thought I was on r/moviescirclejerk
CanadianB4c0n8r2025-11-18 22:45
Superman is also canonically susceptible to magic
ccReptilelord2025-11-18 22:46
It's simply who acts first, that's it. And Clark's at a disadvantage here as he generally needs to understand the situation first, whereas Wanda tends to have some control of the situation before the fighting even begins.
Beneficial-Tailor4652025-11-18 22:48
Superman’s biggest weakness is magic so that would be easy for him to get his ass kicked by Wanda
VaishakhD2025-11-18 22:48
Post will get deleted but superman can move faster than she can think.
Sncrsly2025-11-18 22:49
Doesn't matter. Superman is weak against magic
GaiusMarcus2025-11-18 22:51
She doesn't have too. Magic fucks up Superman just fine.
DarthGayAgenda2025-11-18 22:51
I'm of the opinion Wanda could do what she did to Illuminati Captain Marvel and siphon away his powers. If she understood them, she could even conjure red sun radiation at him to speed the process.
a3d3n_692025-11-18 22:52
“Wanda, I’m Superman.”
“What man?”
*magically takes his penis*
LeCancerDude2025-11-18 22:52
Isn't his main weakness (other than kryptonite) explicitly stated to be magic?
Neandersaurus2025-11-18 22:53
So she's going to team up with antman?
swagonflyyyy2025-11-18 22:55
If I'm not mistaken, magic in the MCU is just another form of energy. If that holds up, then Wanda's gonna have a harder time taming Superman than we think because Superman has a lot of energy, but manifested differently than Wanda's ethereal powers.
But it IS a well-documented fact that magic is one of his hidden weaknesses because he seems to be weak to indirect form of attacks, like psychological warfare and magic in DC comics, which I think works differently than the MCU.
If we can tally a list of Superman's weaknesses, it could be something like this:
- Kryptonite
- Exhaustion? (Doomsday)
- A superior hand-to-hand combatant who is an equal in raw strength.
- DC magic
- Plain old deception and psychological warfare (hard, even The Joker had trouble with him).
- A lack of Sunlight (pointing to entropy).
- Some sort of multiversal threat he is not resilient against.
In conclusion? Depends on the rules of magic in the MCU. I do recall that early in the MCU magic and energy were one but later down the franchise it may have been separated at some point after a re-write.
rtrawitzki2025-11-18 22:57
Can she process someone moving at super speed ? Also does Superman need to blink ?
Even if she did magic up kryptonite , it doesn’t automatically kill him . He’d have enough time to punch a hole in her head .
UpbeatGround49842025-11-18 22:58
im sorry but this is frying me
Individual-Spirit7652025-11-18 23:00
"No more Kryptonians."
anothercookie902025-11-18 23:00
Magic is Superman’s other weakness
mewbrem2025-11-18 23:00
I never understand these hypotheticals. Superman can move faster than a neuron firing inside her brain.
Mystikwankss2025-11-18 23:02
What martha?
superkick2252025-11-18 23:03
No more Kryptonians
MyLeftNut_2025-11-18 23:04
No matter how poweful Wanda is, she still moves at normal speed like a regular human. Superman can easily destroy her in before she even has time to react.
eternali172025-11-18 23:05
The depiction of her power set is such a problem. Cool problem but nevertheless
notJ3ff2025-11-18 23:05
I wonder if she can make Superman believe there is kryptonite in front of him to the point where he feels the effects?
TrinaTempest2025-11-18 23:07
Reality manipulation. Depends on which version of Scarlet Witch, but she's almost never this precise with her magic. She is a chaos witch afterall.
More_Interview38402025-11-18 23:10
Yes. She can create it with her reality manipulation or use matter manipulation to create the molecular structure of kryptonite.
Master-Mage872025-11-18 23:11
If she knows about red solar energy that drains Kryptonians, she'd use it a lot more
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He also has laser vision that he can somehow shoot through your pupils lol.
Superman, roll a con save. Disadvantage.
The same comics will almost certainly mention the kryptonite.
In other words for this kryptonite example does she just need to know how to make someone’s mind think kryptonite is there, or does she *actually create kryptonite*?
It's damn near one of her SPECIALTIES to make people live their worst fears.. hence the scene in AoU
And ironically, that was tame compared to things she does in the comics
So, no, even though he could throw a supersonic murder punch at her, he simply would not do that.
The notion that he'd just go straight to murder is out of character.
Reality is this fight is over before it begins because Superman can move faster than she can think.
the boyscout would probably chat a bit, during which time she'll incapacitate him
If someone doesn’t have enough magic power to kill a normal person but wants to kill Superman, they wont be able to.
Yes I'm bleeding, but that's only because I'm so normally affected... not weak... I'm feeling great
EDIT: This is sarcasm. People bleeding to death are weak.
It is quite literally an achilis heel..
>!(Terry Pratchett, Disc World)!<
Deleted scene of this actually happening from the abandoned Tim Burton / Nic Cage superman movie
Is the glass canon in the room with us?
The question ‘who would win’ is completely academical. And that is really generous here because it doesn’t really have to do with literally anything. In some weird-ass countries scenarios a dude with money can beat superman.
“What man?”
*magically takes his penis*
But it IS a well-documented fact that magic is one of his hidden weaknesses because he seems to be weak to indirect form of attacks, like psychological warfare and magic in DC comics, which I think works differently than the MCU.
If we can tally a list of Superman's weaknesses, it could be something like this:
- Kryptonite
- Exhaustion? (Doomsday)
- A superior hand-to-hand combatant who is an equal in raw strength.
- DC magic
- Plain old deception and psychological warfare (hard, even The Joker had trouble with him).
- A lack of Sunlight (pointing to entropy).
- Some sort of multiversal threat he is not resilient against.
In conclusion? Depends on the rules of magic in the MCU. I do recall that early in the MCU magic and energy were one but later down the franchise it may have been separated at some point after a re-write.
Even if she did magic up kryptonite , it doesn’t automatically kill him . He’d have enough time to punch a hole in her head .